So this happened last night: Updates, Video

"Nibbles" (nibbles) 01/03/2014 at 08:47 • Filed to: Coplopnik

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High speed chase, suspect shot and killed.

It was close enough to my house that the wife woke to the sounds of choppers, sirens and gunshots. Kinda scary stuff! We've lived in the neighborhood for a year now and this is the second time something like this has happened.

UPDATE, video here

I'm not certain about the vailidity of the reporter's statements, but if they were led from 88th and Washington to 6th and Santa Fe, that's quite a trip. Straight through the heart of Denver.

UPDATE: It has been confirmed that the domestic involved gunfire. After the chase returned to this complex, the suspect rammed four cruisers, three of which are probably totaled.

davedave1111 > Nibbles 01/03/2014 at 08:55

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Wow, scary to have that happen on your doorstep. The news report doesn't bother to even pretend that the police had any reason to open fire.

What do you suppose are the chances that the victim was blond and fair-skinned?

Nibbles > davedave1111 01/03/2014 at 08:59

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Given the neighborhood, I'm going to say those chances are fairly slim. Those are Section 8 apartments.

However, I'd say leading them on a chase through multiple cities, attempting to ram officers, and what else may have happened, may have aided in their decision

Since it was a cop doing the shooting though we will not know until they've fully covered their bases (asses)

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > Nibbles 01/03/2014 at 09:02

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What's with all the police brutality in the US lately?

davedave1111 > Nibbles 01/03/2014 at 09:11

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"However, I'd say leading them on a chase through multiple cities, attempting to ram officers, and what else may have happened, may have aided in their decision"

I expect it did. But it clearly shouldn't have done. They're supposed to only shoot people posing an immediate threat, not anyone who happens to have pissed them off.

Nibbles > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 01/03/2014 at 09:12

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I await the official press release but, given the location that this happened, it's not too awfully surprising.

Nibbles > davedave1111 01/03/2014 at 09:17

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We don't know what sort of threat he may or may not have posed at this time

If they responded at 11:30, and the wife woke me talking about gunshots at about 12:10, that's a good bit of time to have attempted other avenues

Also I don't know the route he led them on. They could be exaggerating, as Denver's boundary is less than a mile away from those apartments

iDriveCode3 > Nibbles 01/03/2014 at 09:20

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I can guarantee that it'll be found to be a justifiable shooting. If the suspect remained at the scene, he would have been taken into custody safely. If he drove away and stopped when he had a legal obligation to do so, he would have been taken into custody safely. Just stop the car, put his hands up, and listen to their orders. Safely taken into custody.

But someone who likely just shot at someone else, possibly their significant other(showing a propensity to commit violence), fleeing the scene (that would tell me that yeah, we're following the right guy involved in the shooting), involved in a high speed chase (endangering how many other people?) and ramming into police cars after returning to the scene?

I'm not in the business of parking my patrol car or my body in front of a four thousand pound vehicle. The easiest way someone can kill me is by running me over. It's bad practice and we just don't do it if we can avoid it. But I don't know that apartment complex layout and I don't know what kind of interaction happened immediately preceding the shooting.

I'd be interested in learning those details. You may call it covering their ass, but I'll call it good fucking police work. I plan on going home at the end of my shift and I'll be damned before I let anyone stop me.

davedave1111 > Nibbles 01/03/2014 at 09:25

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I think we can safely assume that the police will have portrayed events in the worst possible light for their victim, because they always do. In which case the fact that they don't say he pulled a gun and started shooting, but do say that they started shooting after he rammed a police car, leads me to believe that it was most likely another police murder.

Nibbles > iDriveCode3 01/03/2014 at 09:27

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I'm certain it will be justifiable. And I call it covering their asses because of the location it happened in. This can be easily easily called racially charged. That location's demographics is primarily of non-white residents making little to no income, hence the Section 8 apartments. One misstep and this will be tagged as brutality

I like my officers. I have a good number of friends on Thornton's force - probably one that responded (he's not answering my texts, so I don't know just yet). They do damned good work and are some of the more level-headed guys I've known

Nibbles > davedave1111 01/03/2014 at 09:28

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I can't wait until we get the chopper and / or dashcam footage; it should be released given the situation

Nibbles > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 01/03/2014 at 09:43

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And I just realized that my response is poorly worded. I don't believe this was brutality. I believe this was officers doing their jobs

Goshen, formerly Darkcode > Nibbles 01/03/2014 at 09:46

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Shooting him just because he was on the run and owned a gun?

Nibbles > Goshen, formerly Darkcode 01/03/2014 at 09:51

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That's a lot of distilling there. What about the domestic they responded to in the first place, or how they haven't released the condition of the woman involved in said domestic? Or that the chase led them through Downtown Denver? There's a lot of information here that isn't clear yet, but "on the run and owned a gun" is not an honest view of the situation.

iDriveCode3 > Nibbles 01/03/2014 at 09:51

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Ah, I understand your meaning a bit better. Didn't mean to come off the wrong way. Yeah, it'll be a boondoggle. We don't get too many officer involved shootings in my city; but last month our Sheriff's office shot a suspect in a neighborhood just like that. On the day they announced that officer was clear of any charges - and we had about ten officers in riot gear planning to go and help out the SO - another Deputy shot a suspect following a high speed chase in our city.

Major boondoggle.

davedave1111 > Nibbles 01/03/2014 at 10:19

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Well, I don't want to view it myself, but yes, it'll be good to have some more facts. But to me the null hypothesis, given their track record, is that the police shot the guy because he made them drop their doughnuts or some such. It would be nice if this was one of the unicorn cases where there's actually evidence to the contrary. Maybe the tooth fairy will leave it under your pillow...

Nibbles > davedave1111 01/03/2014 at 10:32

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I think fleeing from a domestic, leading a chase of somewhere around 20 miles through multiple heavily populated areas, and shots fired at multiple times (as my wife states - she heard both altercations) is more than dropping donuts :)

davedave1111 > Nibbles 01/03/2014 at 10:43

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Well, if the victim was firing off his gun randomly, shooting at him is justified. But maybe it was the police firing that your wife heard?

Simply fleeing from the police does not constitute grounds for police execution.

Nibbles > davedave1111 01/03/2014 at 10:52

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She just texted me back clarifying: "I heard a series of shots, a break, then a couple more." "I heard sirens both before and after, but mostly before."

I don't think she could differentiate between who was shooting; it was a block away.

davedave1111 > Nibbles 01/03/2014 at 11:01

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"I heard a series of shots, a break, then a couple more."

That could be the police opening fire, then one of them walking over to the victim and putting two in the hat to make sure he stayed down.

Nibbles > davedave1111 01/03/2014 at 11:38

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That could be, but I really think you're stretching here.

It's been confirmed that the domestic which started the whole thing involved gunfire. Three Panthers were totaled by the Explorer

davedave1111 > Nibbles 01/03/2014 at 11:44

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I'm a bit puzzled that you seem to think anything other than that he was firing a gun at people right there and then would give the police good reason to open fire. They don't get to summarily execute people who fired off a gun and then went on a car chase, however much they might like to.

In case you're unclear on this, the police are only allowed to shoot someone when that person presents a clear and immediate danger to others and shooting them is the only reasonable course of action . If you believe that's actually the case in anything bar a small minority of police shootings, I've a bridge to sell you.

stuttgartobsessed > Nibbles 01/03/2014 at 12:04

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It's the drugs.

Nibbles > stuttgartobsessed 01/03/2014 at 12:14

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ALL THE WEED MAN

FUCKIN GOVERNMENT MAKIN' THAT SHIT LEGAL

WHOLE STATE, DEATH BY CHEETO